(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[shygost]PB[shygost]DT[2006-01-24]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[MysticoN [10k\]: hi
Kumno [11k\]: Hello^^
ChiyoDad [19k\]: Q16
sprang [25k\]: R16
Danski [14k\]: Q17
Batavia [11k\]: R16
schwing [12k?\]: 3-4 :)
AhSayuni [7k\]: N3
saiclone [15k\]: K10
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[shadowkid [17k\]: 3-3
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[Batavia [11k\]: C16 
Ruutana [5k\]: E3 
AhSayuni [7k\]: c16
aitkensam [3k\]: C16
schwing [12k?\]: yeaj
Uvas [-\]: c16
MysticoN [10k\]: c1
olczyk [15k\]: D16 
MysticoN [10k\]: 6
MysticoN [10k\]: 16
]
(;B[pe]CR[pe])
(;B[cd]CR[cd]C[MysticoN [10k\]: :p
]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[MysticoN [10k\]: Q6 
aitkensam [3k\]: D3
Falkor [18k\]: R16 
AhSayuni [7k\]: d3
saiclone [15k\]: Q13
jug [18k\]: D3
Batavia [11k\]: P16 
davidwatt [7k\]: Q12 
nitram1 [8k\]: r13
Pilsun [21k\]: R13
Ruutana [5k\]: D3 
Danski [14k\]: N16
MysticoN [10k\]: ^^
]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[ed]CR[ed]LB[nd:B][od:A][ph:C]C[MysticoN [10k\]: G17 
Falkor [18k\]: E17 
Pilsun [21k\]: c5
nitram1 [8k\]: e17
aitkensam [3k\]: P16
sprang [25k\]: D10
Falkor [18k\]: D15 
saiclone [15k\]: P16
Danski [14k\]: D5
AhSayuni [7k\]: d14?
AhSayuni [7k\]: e15
AhSayuni [7k\]: simply d14?
saiclone [15k\]: P16 or Q13 not good?
Uvas [-\]: p16!
xix [19k?\]: p15
AhSayuni [7k\]: q12
Shikasta [17k\]: r6/q6
Danski [14k\]: B
davidwatt [7k\]: C
ChiyoDad [19k\]: c
MysticoN [10k\]: C
slowbird [?\]: C
seidelin [9k\]: C
AhSayuni [7k\]: C
jug [18k\]: C
Batavia [11k\]: A
dagger34 [15k\]: c
xix [19k?\]: c
TheDoctor [15k\]: c
abbadan [?\]: C
nitram1 [8k\]: a
pilek [17k\]: C
aitkensam [3k\]: A
]
(;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[nc]CR[nc])
(;B[ec]CR[ec]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[dc]CR[dc]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[cf]CR[cf]
;W[jd]CR[jd])
(;B[co]CR[co]C[Batavia [11k\]: P16 ?
geit [8k\]: q15
jug [18k\]: D14
])
(;B[dj]CR[dj]
(;W[co]CR[co])
(;W[ce]CR[ce]))
(;B[de]CR[de]C[dolphyfan [21k\]: O4
AhSayuni [7k\]: d16!
xix [19k?\]: p15
seidelin [9k\]: R9
Falkor [18k\]: does it work with D3 ?
Uvas [-\]: d17
Pilsun [21k\]: not boring at all, quite valuable
]
;AE[ed]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[abbadan [?\]: o 3
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[sprang [25k\]: yes thanks
tetris [-\]: yes, very interesting
AhSayuni [7k\]: is e15 bad?
Shikasta [17k\]: r6
mallow [19k?\]: R13?
]
;W[pg]CR[pg]
;B[ic]CR[ic]
;W[qk]CR[qk])
(;B[df]CR[df]
;W[cn]CR[cn])
(;B[as]CR[as]
(;W[cc]CR[cc]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[ic]CR[ic])
(;W[od]CR[od]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[pj]CR[pj]C[MysticoN [10k\]: hm
]))
(;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[pg]CR[pg])
(;B[ph]CR[ph]C[Falkor [18k\]: A
]
;W[cc]CR[cc]LB[qd:A][pe:B]C[tetris [-\]: r14?
Danski [14k\]: A
tetris [-\]: i mean r15?
MysticoN [10k\]: B
ChiyoDad [19k\]: A
Rikadyn [30k\]: b
tetris [-\]: B
xix [19k?\]: b
Danski [14k\]: A get's points.
AhSayuni [7k\]: a vote?
pilek [17k\]: B
seidelin [9k\]: B
tetris [-\]: sorry q15
aitkensam [3k\]: B
AhSayuni [7k\]: B
Batavia [11k\]: can black affort to punish white and not play top left first?
abbadan [?\]: A
]
(;B[sa]CR[sa]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[cn]CR[cn]C[olczyk [15k\]: M A D
]
;B[cp]CR[cp])
(;B[pe]CR[pe]C[sprang [25k\]: amazing
]
;W[dd]CR[dd]C[ChiyoDad [19k\]: c15
MysticoN [10k\]: R16 
sprang [25k\]: C15
tetris [-\]: c15
MysticoN [10k\]: trade
]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[ch]CR[ch])
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[olczyk [15k\]: C15
]
(;W[ce]CR[ce]
;B[jd]CR[jd])
(;W[jc]CR[jc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[bc]CR[bc]
(;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[cj]CR[cj]
;B[di]CR[di]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[cn]CR[cn])
(;B[di]CR[di]C[MysticoN [10k\]: yup
dolphyfan [21k\]: yep
Pilsun [21k\]: yep
Danski [14k\]: Yes.
davidwatt [7k\]: yes
jug [18k\]: yes
Kumno [11k\]: yeh
abbadan [?\]: aha
]
(;W[cg]CR[cg]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[ch]CR[ch]
;W[be]CR[be]
;B[do]CR[do])
(;W[ss]CR[ss]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[je]CR[je]
;B[le]CR[le])
(;W[mc]CR[mc]LB[jp:A][nq:B]C[Uvas [-\]: c5
Danski [14k\]: D5
Falkor [18k\]: R6 
SoulShard [?\]: o3
Shikasta [17k\]: d5
olczyk [15k\]: K4
AhSayuni [7k\]: r6
tetris [-\]: r6
dagger34 [15k\]: o3
ChiyoDad [19k\]: r6
MysticoN [10k\]: ok
tetris [-\]: what is specialty move?
AhSayuni [7k\]: I like it
Falkor [18k\]: just a comment to someone suggesting pincer towards R6 ... ;-)
Dakre [2k?\]: hehe, i was lucky ;) thanks :)
MysticoN [10k\]: I like the feeling of A
AhSayuni [7k\]: A
Danski [14k\]: A
Batavia [11k\]: B
Pilsun [21k\]: A
olczyk [15k\]: a
nitram1 [8k\]: b
jug [18k\]: A
Yippie [12k\]: B
slowbird [?\]: A
xix [19k?\]: b
Ruutana [5k\]: B
abbadan [?\]: A
Druft [14k\]: B
opytion [13k\]: b
cynewulf [?\]: A
seidelin [9k\]: A
Uvas [-\]: b
pilek [17k\]: A
Sirre: a
dagger34 [15k\]: b
derty [18k\]: A
Kumno [11k\]: A
Falkor [18k\]: A
]
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[abbadan [?\]: o 3
Dakre [2k?\]: but doesn't it make a bit strange shape on the right?
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[derty [18k\]: fake?
]
;B[jp]CR[jp]C[abbadan [?\]: fake?
olczyk [15k\]: You can hope but you aren't going to get it.
AhSayuni [7k\]: isn't it?
tetris [-\]: why fake?
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[do]CR[do]C[tetris [-\]: then real?
derty [18k\]: moyo is just an estimate, right?
tetris [-\]: ok
MysticoN [10k\]: moyo is potential territory
])
(;B[co]CR[co]C[Batavia [11k\]: can we hope for a O3 R6 K4  sequence?
]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[MysticoN [10k\]: hmm is O4  possible ... ? .. I know it used in special cases
])
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[sprang [25k\]: :-)
Dakre [2k?\]: if white just defends at o3 isn't black somewhat overconcentrated on the right if black defends?
ExtremeNew: lol
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]C[Shikasta [17k\]: w pincer
]
(;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[pl]CR[pl]C[Dakre [2k?\]: ok, but a weakness at q10... isn't the shape somewhat strange?
])
(;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[pf]CR[pf]))
(;B[np]CR[np]C[tetris [-\]: o4?
tetris [-\]: aha
dolphyfan [21k\]: yes, tet
TheList [-\]: compair r6 to r7 ?
olczyk [15k\]: k4?
])
(;B[jp]CR[jp]C[Falkor [18k\]: lower side is bigger for white, then right side. therefore pincer not so good?
Ruutana [5k\]: Well, what if BR6  WO3 BQ9?
MysticoN [10k\]: dont want to let white grow so much
AhSayuni [7k\]: nice fake moyo
tetris [-\]: fake?
AhSayuni [7k\]: lol
]
;W[mq]CR[mq]LB[co:B][do:A][qq:C]C[derty [18k\]: Mmm..
Danski [14k\]: D5
MysticoN [10k\]: R3 
Pilsun [21k\]: d5?
Falkor [18k\]: G3 ?
olczyk [15k\]: C5 OR D5
derty [18k\]: d6?
AhSayuni [7k\]: c5
abbadan [?\]: R9
TheDoctor [15k\]: s5?
seidelin [9k\]: F4
Shikasta [17k\]: m3?
geit [8k\]: r6
slowbird [?\]: R6?
Xris [6k?\]: n5
abbadan [?\]: L 3
AhSayuni [7k\]: r6
MysticoN [10k\]: I dont see white gaining on making wall around corner
Druft [14k\]: l2
tetris [-\]: too low
AhSayuni [7k\]: I got the feeling r4 is played more in such a situation
tetris [-\]: i like shimari
Falkor [18k\]: invade!
Batavia [11k\]: R3
Pilsun [21k\]: if black invades on right and white sees the wall will quickly be useless will he give black the joseki ?
Falkor [18k\]: C
Danski [14k\]: A
MysticoN [10k\]: C
aitkensam [3k\]: invade!
tetris [-\]: b
nitram1 [8k\]: a
Ruutana [5k\]: C
xix [19k?\]: b
Druft [14k\]: C
saiclone [15k\]: B
Sirre: c
TheList [-\]: C
ChiyoDad [19k\]: b
seidelin [9k\]: B
pilek [17k\]: C
jug [18k\]: C
dagger34 [15k\]: c
AhSayuni [7k\]: is R4 worse than c?
derty [18k\]: C
geit [8k\]: c
Pilsun [21k\]: C
Batavia [11k\]: no no R3 Q3 Q2
Falkor [18k\]: that looked strange
]
(;B[co]CR[co]
(;W[jr]CR[jr])
(;W[qo]CR[qo]))
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[tetris [-\]: starting to like r6
]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[ChiyoDad [19k\]: k2
tetris [-\]: aha
]
;W[ql]CR[ql])
(;B[qq]CR[qq]C[AhSayuni [7k\]: ok
AhSayuni [7k\]: C
slowbird [?\]: ok, convincing :)
]
(;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[oo]CR[oo]
;B[qj]CR[qj])
(;W[pq]CR[pq]C[olczyk [15k\]: What about Q3?
MysticoN [10k\]: S2 
]
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[ro]CR[ro]C[Dakre [2k?\]: q12 seems in a good position now
]
;W[rn]CR[rn]C[MysticoN [10k\]: oh this one
]
(;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[po]CR[po]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[sn]CR[sn]
;W[rq]CR[rq]C[derty [18k\]: this lets white sneak in the side
AhSayuni [7k\]: P7?
MysticoN [10k\]: nice side
tetris [-\]: nice for b
Falkor [18k\]: mhm. Leaves black with only a punnuki
tetris [-\]: no?
Batavia [11k\]: what if black playd Q2 first
derty [18k\]: ?
AhSayuni [7k\]: lol
seidelin [9k\]: lol
sprang [25k\]: :)
olczyk [15k\]: What if B plays S4 or S3?
olczyk [15k\]: I sede that a lot.
olczyk [15k\]: see
tetris [-\]: ?
AhSayuni [7k\]: anything higher than p7?
sprang [25k\]: umm
tetris [-\]: so is the low ponnuki ok?
ligo [?\]: why b disatify?
MysticoN [10k\]: with 2 single stones
olczyk [15k\]: If B plays S3 or S4?
AhSayuni [7k\]: why not?
saiclone [15k\]: I also don't understand why black unhappy
tetris [-\]: righ
tetris [-\]: t
tetris [-\]: ah
]
(;B[om]CR[om]C[derty [18k\]: veeeeeeeeeery bad
])
(;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[qk]CR[qk])
(;B[pn]CR[pn]C[tetris [-\]: nice
ligo [?\]: ok
olczyk [15k\]: What if B plasys S4 or S3 after double hane?
tetris [-\]: allover b looks ahead to me--wrong?
jug [18k\]: so N3 was bad after all ?
olczyk [15k\]: G17 H17 aren't weak points
MysticoN [10k\]: and w has komi ^^
AhSayuni [7k\]: hehe
tetris [-\]: thought q6 was sente
]
(;W[aa]CR[aa]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
(;W[on]CR[on]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[rr]CR[rr]
;B[pr]CR[pr])
(;W[or]CR[or]))
(;W[co]CR[co]LB[ib:B][rh:C][bk:D][gq:E][qs:A]C[jug [18k\]: i see
shygost [-\]: WHITE 45
olczyk [15k\]: 9
tetris [-\]: aha
tetris [-\]: ok
AhSayuni [7k\]: c7?
aitkensam [3k\]: who would you rather play?
MysticoN [10k\]: in the other demo ?
aitkensam [3k\]: b or w
tetris [-\]: really!
MysticoN [10k\]: what about C8 
dolphyfan [21k\]: thank you, shygost
Danski [14k\]: Thank you shygost.
seidelin [9k\]: thanks
MysticoN [10k\]: thnx
davidwatt [7k\]: thanks
Shikasta [17k\]: thxs alot
sprang [25k\]: thank you
jug [18k\]: thanks shygost
Pilsun [21k\]: thank you
Dakre [2k?\]: thank you!
tetris [-\]: thanks
Falkor [18k\]: thanks
opytion [13k\]: thanks
aitkensam [3k\]: cheers
saiclone [15k\]: thank you
AhSayuni [7k\]: thanks Shygost
GoNinja [13k\]: thanks
olczyk [15k\]: Thank you
Aspirant [15k\]: thanks!
abbadan [?\]: Thanks
Ruutana [5k\]: Thanks.
dmnk [-\]: thank you!
derty [18k\]: Thank you!
ExtremeNew: Thanks
SoulShard [?\]: Thanks!
AhSayuni [7k\]: bye
ruger [?\]: thx
tetris [-\]: bye!
slowbird [?\]: thanks
xix [19k?\]: thx
dagger34 [15k\]: thanks :)
Batavia [11k\]: tnx
]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[or]CR[or]C[tetris [-\]: aah
]
;B[mo]CR[mo]C[tetris [-\]: ok
])
(;W[pf]CR[pf])
(;W[qh]CR[qh])
(;W[cg]CR[cg])
(;W[jr]CR[jr])))
(;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[or]CR[or]
;B[qr]CR[qr]C[derty [18k\]: bad for black
]
;W[qj]CR[qj]))
(;B[pr]CR[pr]
;W[qp]CR[qp]C[MysticoN [10k\]: never hane a 2 stone shape ! :p
])))
(;B[kr]CR[kr]C[dmnk [-\]: what about somewhere around E14?
])
(;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[af]CR[af]
;B[bf]CR[bf]
;W[ae]CR[ae]C[abbadan [?\]: l 3
]
;B[ag]CR[ag]
;W[bd]CR[bd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[ad]CR[ad]C[slowbird [?\]: how does r3 compare to r4?
]
;B[bg]CR[bg]C[tetris [-\]: L2 too low, i mena
tetris [-\]: mean
])
(;B[do]CR[do]C[dmnk [-\]: I thought edge of 2 moyos
Danski [14k\]: Yippii.
]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
(;B[ef]CR[ef]C[tetris [-\]: ooh
dmnk [-\]: oh ok thank you
])
(;B[id]CR[id]))
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
(;W[qo]CR[qo])
(;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[op]CR[op]
;B[pk]CR[pk]C[tetris [-\]: looks so high...
]
;W[sn]CR[sn]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[so]CR[so]
;B[sm]CR[sm]C[derty [18k\]: and sente
]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[sp]CR[sp]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
;W[pf]CR[pf]))
(;B[pr]CR[pr]C[tetris [-\]: ??
])))))))
(;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[jc]CR[jc]TR[pe][qe][og]C[tetris [-\]: this is a real game?
]
;W[ld]CR[ld]C[AhSayuni [7k\]: :)
]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[mc]CR[mc]
;B[md]CR[md]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[le]CR[le]
(;B[kd]CR[kd]
(;W[mb]CR[mb])
(;W[ke]CR[ke]))
(;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[qc]CR[qc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
(;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[me]CR[me]
;B[mb]CR[mb])
(;W[pj]CR[pj]))))))
(;B[dq]CR[dq]C[ChiyoDad [19k\]: Yeah. I need to understand that too.
]
;W[do]CR[do]
(;B[co]CR[co]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[cj]CR[cj]C[olczyk [15k\]: mutually assured destruction
])
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[bo]CR[bo]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[cl]CR[cl])))
