(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[shygost]PB[shygost]DT[2006-01-31]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Reepicheep [11k\]: yes
SoulShard [?\]: Yep
Divine [15k\]: could be a bit louder
sduff [17k?\]: yes. audio a bit soft
slowbird [?\]: better now
sduff [17k?\]: thankyou!
shygost [-\]: shygost@pacbell.net
ph [12k\]: The sound is way too silent.
sduff [17k?\]: shygost, have you seen http://senseis.xmp.net/?Shygost/Topics
Reepicheep [11k\]: do you have an sgf of the whole jujo game?
Xris [6k?\]: me :)
MysticoN [10k\]: not me :(
ph [12k\]: me
NannyOgg [-\]: i did once
Xris [6k?\]: koreans ><
xix [19k?\]: an insei
NannyOgg [-\]: she radiated power! (Feng Yun)
snakeeater [4k\]: i got to 4k by just reading. these lectures help me to know how to play first 20 moves! :D
FlameBlade [-\]: Anyone will transcribe this lesson in realtime?
Xris [6k?\]: yes
Reepicheep [11k\]: the one you showed last week is not online
sduff [17k?\]: not realtime, but i am recording them
Xris [6k?\]: check in a week or so
FlameBlade [-\]: I meant...during the lesson, kinda like closed caption :)
snakeeater [4k\]: Q16?
MysticoN [10k\]: Q17 
Uberdude [13k\]: but h4 libertiy missing
ph [12k\]: safe pinch = the pincer stone lives or runs away comfortably?
]
(;B[pc]CR[pc]C[sduff [17k?\]: i am rtanscribing them, slowly as i am tpying with one hand for the next week after a sprained wrist
ph [12k\]: Maybe someone could capture the video and put it out as torrent. (I would, but can't)
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]LB[dd:A][pp:B]C[slowbird [?\]: B
snakeeater [4k\]: A
ph [12k\]: B
derty [18k\]: B
Reepicheep [11k\]: A
NannyOgg [-\]: Shygost, I will transcribe in real time too, since we have some one who is deaf 
Prodigious [6k\]: B, I'd say
erislover [12k\]: A
derty [18k\]: b
sprang [24k\]: A
ruger [13k?\]: B
NoMe [14k?\]: A
thomas [2k\]: B
Tokee [13k\]: B
snakeeater [4k\]: A big with Q15
ph [12k\]: B, because both can develop there
NannyOgg [-\]: B is bigger, it is wider
sduff [17k?\]: ph, we've tried, but resulting file is way too big
erislover [12k\]: ahh
NannyOgg [-\]: it's one line wider than A
MysticoN [10k\]: C16 R4  the same right  ?
NannyOgg [-\]: B it's not just bigger, it's easier too
]
(;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[qe]CR[qe])
(;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[dd]CR[dd])
(;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]LB[fc:C][qe:E][pi:B][qi:A][fq:D]C[NannyOgg [-\]: A and B are low and hig chinese, then we have C and D
NannyOgg [-\]: or we can finish corner at E, but not many pros like that
SixPack [10k\]: E too slow
NannyOgg [-\]: ok, we have a deaf person, so it will help him
NannyOgg [-\]: thank you 
ph [12k\]: Can you repeat who's playing B and W here?
ph [12k\]: ok, not a real game..
nitram1 [8k\]: a
midoli [16k?\]: A
rmgd [15k\]: a
Prodigious [6k\]: C
sprang [24k\]: D
MysticoN [10k\]: C
FlameBlade [-\]: C
slowbird [?\]: D
Kage [10k\]: A
NannyOgg [-\]: C
SoulShard [?\]: C
wetnose [15k\]: E
Reepicheep [11k\]: D
Launchpad [10k?\]: E
derty [18k\]: D
]
(;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[ph]CR[ph]
;W[oc]CR[oc]C[NannyOgg [-\]: he likes D because the pinch is perfect
rmgd [15k\]: I wonder why dan players aren't listening this fine lesson
]
(;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[od]CR[od]C[NannyOgg [-\]: feng yun says this is fine, mr yang says this joseki is a mistake
]
(;AE[ph]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this is normal, without pincer
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
(;W[na]CR[na])
(;W[pb]CR[pb]
;B[na]CR[na]
;W[qc]CR[qc]C[boojum [11k\]: why s15?
SixPack [9k\]: M 16 next for B?
]
(;B[pa]CR[pa]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[oa]CR[oa]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[qf]CR[qf]
;W[qe]CR[qe]C[NannyOgg [-\]: B settles, W settles, and the W corner looked big, but isn't
]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[re]CR[re]C[RikiTiki [-\]: corner smaller than it appears
])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]
(;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[qb]CR[qb]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[qd]CR[qd]C[NannyOgg [-\]: later on this is big for B, W collapses
]
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[qa]CR[qa])
(;W[pd]CR[pd]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[qe]CR[qe]))
(;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[nf]CR[nf]))))
(;B[nb]CR[nb]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[qe]CR[qe]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[rh]CR[rh]C[NannyOgg [-\]: if we put the pincer back on, B switches to this
]))
(;B[od]CR[od]
;W[pd]CR[pd]C[Prodigious [6k\]: Oh, interesting
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[Guest73: this is fine 
]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[oe]CR[oe]C[RikiTiki [-\]: this is fine :) I'm used to being overwhelmed :)
]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[qc]CR[qc]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this is mr yang's idea
]
;W[rd]CR[rd]C[Kage [10k\]: maybe they don't know it
]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[qd]CR[qd]C[elMonk [3k\]: I'm only speaking for myself but this is great :)
]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[pb]CR[pb]C[Kage [10k\]: *don't need it
NannyOgg [-\]: B sacrifices the corner
NannyOgg [-\]: liberty race, W wins, B goes away
NannyOgg [-\]: B seems to get nothing
NannyOgg [-\]: so this might be bigger area
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[sc]CR[sc]C[NannyOgg [-\]: but if we follow through with the invisible stones...
]
;B[pn]CR[pn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: B has nice thickness
])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]C[derty [18k\]: heh heh.
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: we don't play it now, because there is a second option
]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[fd]CR[fd])
(;B[pn]CR[pn])))
(;B[fc]CR[fc]C[GoNinja [13k\]: C
Tokee [13k\]: C
whendrik [16k\]: c10 area is not a option?
Sirri [25k?\]: D
jug [18k\]: D
]
(;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[jd]CR[jd]C[NannyOgg [-\]: shy used to really be afraid of this opening as W
]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pe]CR[pe]C[NannyOgg [-\]: C is much more popular today
])
(;W[id]CR[id]LB[cc:B][kc:A]C[Guest73: c14
]
;B[cc]CR[cc]C[slowbird [?\]: no F15?
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
(;W[de]CR[de]C[NannyOgg [-\]: so he played it for over a year to teach himself not to afraid
]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[cf]CR[cf]C[NannyOgg [-\]: still, he prefers to pinch
]
(;W[qe]CR[qe]LB[mc:B][nd:A][qh:C]C[NannyOgg [-\]: W needs to keep the pressure up
snakeeater [4k\]: how can W deal with the aji at f17 later? (no need to answer now)
Launchpad [10k?\]: B
MysticoN [10k\]: C
Kage [10k\]: for black?
Tokee [13k\]: B
slowbird [?\]: B
thomas [2k\]: B
nitram1 [8k\]: b
O123456789: B
sprang [24k\]: show us C?
erislover [12k\]: A or C definitely
derty [18k\]: b
Ruutana [5k\]: B
MysticoN [10k\]: or
ph [12k\]: Can you show later, what to do if B approaches around L17?
ruger [13k?\]: A
Kage [10k\]: C
MysticoN [10k\]: B
NannyOgg [-\]: B is eyeless, no base, was too early
NannyOgg [-\]: B gets profit by playing close by, encouraging W to fix
Launchpad [10k?\]: B :)
MysticoN [10k\]: B
NannyOgg [-\]: the approach will be his profit
erislover [12k\]: too nice to white
sprang [24k\]: would love to see w response to R13 pinch
NannyOgg [-\]: B is correct for playing at Top
ph [12k\]: C
]
(;B[fb]CR[fb]C[NannyOgg [-\]: let's look at that aji now
]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[ga]CR[ga]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[fe]CR[fe]
;W[ff]CR[ff]
;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[fd]CR[fd]C[NannyOgg [-\]: the idea is that B is really quite weak here
]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[he]CR[he]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[fg]CR[fg]C[NannyOgg [-\]: he is so close to death
]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[hc]CR[hc]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[ib]CR[ib]C[NannyOgg [-\]: B is not even surviving really, if he dares 
])
(;B[fe]CR[fe]C[NannyOgg [-\]: he needs helping stones nearby
]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[gb]CR[gb]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[hb]CR[hb]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[ic]CR[ic]C[MysticoN [10k\]: b bad shape :p
erislover [12k\]: b created a super heavy group
])
(;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[ib]CR[ib])
(;B[df]CR[df])
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[NannyOgg [-\]: A is a mistake
]
;W[lc]CR[lc]C[TheEnsign [5k?\]: M17?
]
;B[nc]CR[nc]C[NannyOgg [-\]: you can't grow here
])
(;B[mc]CR[mc]C[whendrik [16k\]: door is open
])
(;B[ph]CR[ph]C[NannyOgg [-\]: but pinch is better idea
NannyOgg [-\]: more potential on the right
]
;W[pf]CR[pf]C[NannyOgg [-\]: W gets out
]
(;B[mc]CR[mc]C[ph [12k\]: C makes N17 a good move
NannyOgg [-\]: now W is ready to attack Q17, so now B defends
TheEnsign [5k?\]: Where would W attack if B doesn't N17?
NannyOgg [-\]: so O17 is best punishment for B
]
;W[rc]CR[rc]C[NannyOgg [-\]: W goes into corner
])
(;B[pk]CR[pk]C[TheEnsign [5k?\]: Thank you.
]
(;W[nc]CR[nc]C[MysticoN [10k\]: never go backward direction ^^
])
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[mc]CR[mc]C[NannyOgg [-\]: remove running direction for B if B takes big move on the right
]))
(;B[nd]CR[nd]C[NannyOgg [-\]: fourth line now is option for attacking
]
(;W[lc]CR[lc]
;B[nf]CR[nf])
(;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[kc]CR[kc]C[NannyOgg [-\]: W settles, B settles
ph [12k\]: what's white answer for this move now?
ph [12k\]: to keep the territory
NannyOgg [-\]: so 4th line was for attacking now, not for growing
]
(;W[fd]CR[fd]LB[pk:A][cn:E][qn:B][fq:D][nq:C]C[MrOdin [11k\]: F16 ?
ph [12k\]: is J17 feasible move for W?
NannyOgg [-\]: now you can do readout and see how much profit B will get after L17
NannyOgg [-\]: but this is basic
NannyOgg [-\]: defend yourself
Uberdude [13k\]: b can slide to j18? or too small for now?
Uberdude [13k\]: blame TheCaptain ;-)
TheEnsign [5k?\]: Louder the bark, the weaker the bite.
NannyOgg [-\]: J18 is  too small now
whendrik [16k\]: lol
MysticoN [10k\]: he only got his teusuji`s :=)
MysticoN [10k\]: hmm
slowbird [?\]: E uninteresting?
NannyOgg [-\]: which ones of those are good of bad?
Launchpad [10k?\]: E is bad
snakeeater [4k\]: A seems urgent?
wetnose [15k\]: B bad
erislover [12k\]: E seems bad
Uberdude [13k\]: D good?
MysticoN [10k\]: Q12 seems weak
Conch [13k\]: d
esteli1 [22k\]: i go for e
Tokee [13k\]: a is good
ph [12k\]: Q12 should be defended, but can run to center, if in trouble?
TheEnsign [5k?\]: C combines with Q12 well
derty [18k\]: A seems good
midoli [16k?\]: D
MysticoN [10k\]: Q9 
elMonk [3k\]: E + C14 seems too low
NannyOgg [-\]: D seems good
Guest73: a seems bad
NannyOgg [-\]: W pincer stone was weak now
Uberdude [13k\]: ok, thx
TheEnsign [5k?\]: Maybe he means K3?
NannyOgg [-\]: more important then open areas is future
whendrik [16k\]: Aah
NannyOgg [-\]: D is not unplayable, it's a big move, but R6 is big AND defends
NannyOgg [-\]: E is coming from a less wide area, and there is a weakness and it's low, so not interesting
Launchpad [10k?\]: B
GoNinja [13k\]: B
NannyOgg [-\]: B
MysticoN [10k\]: b
slowbird [?\]: B
whendrik [16k\]: Cristal Clear...
RikiTiki [-\]: B :)
Reepicheep [11k\]: B
TheEnsign [5k?\]: You've convinced me, B!
nitram1 [8k\]: d
ph [12k\]: How about R8?
]
(;B[ib]CR[ib]C[wetnose [15k\]: lol so i was right - get strong at defending ^^
])
(;B[pk]CR[pk]C[whendrik [16k\]: i woudl K4
NannyOgg [-\]: notice that B Q12 stone is not only one weak stone, but two weak stone snow
NannyOgg [-\]: without a base
ph [12k\]: is C too far?
]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: now W can still invade pretty easily here
]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[pn]CR[pn]
;B[np]CR[np]
;W[nn]CR[nn])
(;B[qn]CR[qn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: with D, right side can get quite bit for W
Launchpad [10k?\]: is Q6 too much?
MysticoN [10k\]: yes
RikiTiki [-\]: :)
NannyOgg [-\]: so R6 is the best idea here
TheEnsign [5k?\]: Nice boring move.
NannyOgg [-\]: not a great relationship with Q12
TheEnsign [5k?\]: Ryuku island move.
Tokee [13k\]: r7 ?
NannyOgg [-\]: not doing anything , just pretending (R8)
]
(;W[qj]CR[qj]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this is better defense
]
;B[oi]CR[oi]C[NannyOgg [-\]: now B can just run out
])
(;W[jq]CR[jq]))
(;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[qn]CR[qn]C[whendrik [16k\]: K4?
Uberdude [13k\]: r9 better than q9?
]
;B[qo]CR[qo]C[NannyOgg [-\]: C is too far
rmgd [15k\]: D :)
]
;W[pn]CR[pn])
(;B[fq]CR[fq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: bottom is so big though, so D after all
NannyOgg [-\]: for W bottom is far bigger than left
NannyOgg [-\]: so W will pinch
]
(;W[cn]CR[cn]
(;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[iq]CR[iq]
;W[qn]CR[qn])
(;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[qn]CR[qn]
;B[ql]CR[ql]))
(;W[qn]CR[qn])
(;W[hq]CR[hq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this is safe pinch
NannyOgg [-\]: so B wants to notice that and choose different joseki
wetnose [15k\]: yes
]
(;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]C[GoNinja [13k\]: what criteria do you use to decide what is a bigger side?
]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]C[whendrik [16k\]: What is a safe pinch?
NannyOgg [-\]: B gets 10 points, W gets zero
]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cn]CR[cn]C[TheEnsign [5k?\]: safe?  J4 unsafe?
jug [18k\]: why safe pinch ?
NannyOgg [-\]: this is totally normal joseki
elMonk [3k\]: Low!
sprang [24k\]: losing influence toward center
ph [12k\]: for who?`
MysticoN [10k\]: F3 to close to H3 ?
Reepicheep [11k\]: low - low
NannyOgg [-\]: Why is this bad on the left? 
Unken: flat and low
NannyOgg [-\]: this works poorly on the left
elMonk [3k\]: what about H4?
])
(;B[dn]CR[dn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: so always envision the end of the joseki
NannyOgg [-\]: good joseki
TheEnsign [5k?\]: Safe pincer = ???
NannyOgg [-\]: This seems best for B
]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]C[NannyOgg [-\]: you want something high here
]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: more balanced, much superior
]
(;W[ss]CR[ss]C[ph [12k\]: F2 nest
]
;B[fr]CR[fr]C[ph [12k\]: next
]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[ep]CR[ep]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[fs]CR[fs]C[NannyOgg [-\]: endgame
])
(;W[fo]CR[fo]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this might be worth it for W
])
(;W[qn]CR[qn]
(;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[pk]CR[pk])
(;B[ql]CR[ql]
(;W[qq]CR[qq]
;B[qp]CR[qp]C[NannyOgg [-\]: B can[t play O3, because of Q12
])
(;W[np]CR[np]
;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[pm]CR[pm]
;B[qm]CR[qm]
;W[pq]CR[pq]
;B[qo]CR[qo]
;W[qq]CR[qq]LB[cj:1][kq:2]C[NannyOgg [-\]: B needs to help Q12
NannyOgg [-\]: W creates high position
NannyOgg [-\]: we just finished the opening
GammaKnife [13k\]: transition
sprang [24k\]: transitioning
Uberdude [13k\]: k10!
NannyOgg [-\]: now what do we do next ? 
ph [12k\]: Isn't around C10 still part of the opening?
NannyOgg [-\]: starting middle game
snakeeater [4k\]: C13?
ph [12k\]: define middle game :)
NannyOgg [-\]: now go through the list
NannyOgg [-\]: is B ok?
NannyOgg [-\]: yes, B is ok
NannyOgg [-\]: is W ok?
NannyOgg [-\]: yes, W is ok
NannyOgg [-\]: how many big areas?
NannyOgg [-\]: 4 big areas
NannyOgg [-\]: 4 is tiny
NannyOgg [-\]: 3 is smaller than the others
NannyOgg [-\]: 1 and 2 are close to equal
][NannyOgg [-\]: B needs to help Q12
NannyOgg [-\]: W creates high position
NannyOgg [-\]: we just finished the opening
GammaKnife [13k\]: transition
sprang [24k\]: transitioning
Uberdude [13k\]: k10!
NannyOgg [-\]: now what do we do next ? 
ph [12k\]: Isn't around C10 still part of the opening?
NannyOgg [-\]: starting middle game
snakeeater [4k\]: C13?
ph [12k\]: define middle game :)
NannyOgg [-\]: now go through the list
NannyOgg [-\]: is B ok?
NannyOgg [-\]: yes, B is ok
NannyOgg [-\]: is W ok?
NannyOgg [-\]: yes, W is ok
NannyOgg [-\]: how many big areas?
NannyOgg [-\]: 4 big areas
][NannyOgg [-\]: B needs to help Q12
NannyOgg [-\]: W creates high position
NannyOgg [-\]: we just finished the opening
GammaKnife [13k\]: transition
sprang [24k\]: transitioning
Uberdude [13k\]: k10!
NannyOgg [-\]: now what do we do next ? 
ph [12k\]: Isn't around C10 still part of the opening?
NannyOgg [-\]: starting middle game
snakeeater [4k\]: C13?
ph [12k\]: define middle game :)
NannyOgg [-\]: now go through the list
NannyOgg [-\]: is B ok?
NannyOgg [-\]: yes, B is ok
NannyOgg [-\]: is W ok?
NannyOgg [-\]: yes, W is ok
NannyOgg [-\]: how many big areas?
NannyOgg [-\]: 4 big areas
]
;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[er]CR[er]C[NannyOgg [-\]: so choose
]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[ep]CR[ep]C[NannyOgg [-\]: if F16 wasn't there , D14 would be great
]
(;AE[fd]C[NannyOgg [-\]: finish B joseki
]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[dj]CR[dj])
(;B[dj]CR[dj]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this seems fine
ph [12k\]: invites invasion?
NannyOgg [-\]: if we didn't want that, C8 could be played but small
NannyOgg [-\]: so this is bigger move
SixPack [9k\]: no outside influence for W
]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[ro]CR[ro]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[en]CR[en]
(;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[co]CR[co]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this is too good for W
]
;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[em]CR[em])
(;B[do]CR[do]
;W[eo]CR[eo]C[ph [12k\]: this becomes "mine is bigger than yours" competition :)
]
;B[dm]CR[dm]C[NannyOgg [-\]: so B will play this way
]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[nm]CR[nm]C[NannyOgg [-\]: now B gets entire left side
NannyOgg [-\]: but W gets big bottom
]))
(;B[cl]CR[cl]C[NannyOgg [-\]: sure, it forces W to invade
SixPack [9k\]: But W still to weak to invade?
])
(;B[on]CR[on]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this isn't out of the questions
TheEnsign [5k?\]: Thank you very much for your time.
MysticoN [10k\]: thnx
Brewhaha [18k\]: thx
sprang [24k\]: thanks lance!
NannyOgg [-\]: now right is B's territory and B can ;limit W bottom
GammaKnife [13k\]: thank you
knakts [25k?\]: Thanks!
ChiyoDad [19k\]: thx
ph [12k\]: great lesson
Sirri [25k?\]: Thanks
snakeeater [4k\]: thx
Guest73: thanks
Uberdude [13k\]: thanks, very good lesson
wetnose [15k\]: thx
jug [18k\]: thanks for the lesson
GoNinja [13k\]: thx
rmgd [15k\]: thank you
slowbird [?\]: thank you
FlameBlade [-\]: thank you, shygost and Nanny
NannyOgg [-\]: Thank you, shy!
mulka [12k\]: thanks
MrOdin [11k\]: thaks a lot I really welle learned !!!!!!!!!
elMonk [3k\]: Thanks - excellent work
tumbleweed [1k\]: Excellent.
xix [19k?\]: thx shy
pico [19k\]: thk
erislover [12k\]: see you
ruger [13k?\]: thanks
Aspirant [16k\]: thank you 
TheEnsign [5k?\]: Peace out
])))))
(;B[fo]CR[fo]C[NannyOgg [-\]: shy thinks studying joseki is a daunting task
Guest73: yes!
NannyOgg [-\]: if you just pick one joseki and actually study it, it will take you a year
NannyOgg [-\]: three months later, how can you remember it all?
NannyOgg [-\]: just too hard
NannyOgg [-\]: while you are a kyu player, don't study them
NannyOgg [-\]: just be familiar with them
ChiyoDad [19k\]: It is.
NannyOgg [-\]: ishido's dictionary of basic joseki (3 volumes) is best resource
NannyOgg [-\]: after every game look up your joseki
Unken: *Ishida*
NannyOgg [-\]: thanks
NannyOgg [-\]: do that for 3 months and you will start remembering some moves
Uberdude [13k\]: I have a question about n5: is it good if w has q4 corner stone?
ph [12k\]: www.fuseki.info does great work there too.. .just follow the "a" paths to get basic variations
TheEnsign [5k?\]: And NO TAISHA ^^
NannyOgg [-\]: if you want to get more intense, pick up some korean joseki books
Lunatic [5k?\]: Can you give some names of the Korean style joseki books?
Lunatic [5k?\]: thanks :)
]
;W[dn]CR[dn]C[jug [18k\]: what if W instead H4 after B J4  ?
]
(;B[ip]CR[ip]
(;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[ho]CR[ho]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lq]CR[lq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: this is very common
NannyOgg [-\]: N5
MrOdin [11k\]: G4 
Tokee [13k\]: g4 ?
erislover [12k\]: O3?
Uberdude [13k\]: g4 but a bit slow
TheEnsign [5k?\]: G4
jug [18k\]: N5
elMonk [3k\]: N5 
Kamyk [2k\]: n5
mulka [12k\]: g4
Launchpad [10k?\]: G5
TheEnsign [5k?\]: G6!!!
NannyOgg [-\]: net, stronger
NannyOgg [-\]: less eyeshep
MrOdin [11k\]: I see...
NannyOgg [-\]: because corner is open, B can play N5
]
(;B[gp]CR[gp]C[jug [18k\]: O5 possible
whendrik [16k\]: g4
ph [12k\]: N5 
NannyOgg [-\]: it used to be here
NannyOgg [-\]: best for shape
]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[in]CR[in]C[NannyOgg [-\]: but it does leave this cut
]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[kn]CR[kn]C[MrOdin [11k\]: why does not white take G4 before black ?
]
;W[hn]CR[hn]
;B[go]CR[go]C[NannyOgg [-\]: lots of options though
NannyOgg [-\]: W can get clumpy
TheEnsign [5k?\]: clumpy dumpling
]
;W[jn]CR[jn]
(;B[jm]CR[jm]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[ko]CR[ko]
;W[in]CR[in])
(;B[im]CR[im]
;W[ko]CR[ko]))
(;B[go]CR[go]
;W[io]CR[io]
;B[in]CR[in]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[kn]CR[kn])
(;B[fm]CR[fm]C[TheEnsign [5k?\]: ooooooooooh
]
;W[ck]CR[ck]C[NannyOgg [-\]: F7 is uncommon to get sente
]
;B[sa]CR[sa]
;W[go]CR[go]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
(;W[hn]CR[hn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: B can go away now
]
;B[io]CR[io])
(;W[io]CR[io]C[MrOdin [11k\]: why does not white take G4 before black ??
]
;B[hn]CR[hn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: W can start serious fight 
]))
(;B[mo]CR[mo]LB[go:2][io:3][fp:1][lp:4]C[NannyOgg [-\]: most modern way
ph [12k\]: next O3 is severe
wetnose [15k\]: oho...
]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[cq]CR[cq]C[Uberdude [13k\]: that be less good if w was at q4?
]))
(;W[eq]CR[eq]
(;B[fr]CR[fr]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[ho]CR[ho]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
(;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[go]CR[go])
(;B[go]CR[go]))
(;B[iq]CR[iq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: dont' close the corner
]
;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[gq]CR[gq]C[ph [12k\]: How did you study joseki in kyu level? Mostly from books or mostly from mistakes in your games? How should we study them?
]
;W[gr]CR[gr]
;B[hr]CR[hr]C[TheEnsign [5k?\]: cute
]
;W[sa]CR[sa]
;B[co]CR[co]C[NannyOgg [-\]: B gets settled and thick
]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[cl]CR[cl]C[NannyOgg [-\]: W gets corner, but not as big as it looks
])))
(;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[iq]CR[iq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: classic kyu mistake
]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[hp]CR[hp]
;B[ho]CR[ho]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[erislover [12k\]: interesting
]))
(;B[hp]CR[hp]C[elMonk [3k\]: yeah, thanks
NannyOgg [-\]: this is not used that much
NannyOgg [-\]: but it's interesting
NoMe [14k?\]: interesting
whendrik [16k\]: Will you not forget to explain the safe pincer?
ph [12k\]: When does the "four in a row" principle apply?
]
(;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[gp]CR[gp]C[NannyOgg [-\]: W has two choices
NannyOgg [-\]: W can go away now and defend left
]
(;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[iq]CR[iq]
;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[ir]CR[ir]
(;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[jp]CR[jp]C[NannyOgg [-\]: K2 is sente
])
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[NannyOgg [-\]: but have to come back and fix
TheEnsign [5k?\]: lol Mystic
]
(;B[sa]CR[sa]C[NannyOgg [-\]: also sente
]
;W[hr]CR[hr]C[NannyOgg [-\]: just fix
])
(;B[hr]CR[hr]C[NannyOgg [-\]: is K2 biggest move now?
]
(;W[jr]CR[jr]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: but usually it isn't
MysticoN [10k\]: I saw in hikaru no go that sai played K2  before H2 
MysticoN [10k\]: :p
])
(;W[nq]CR[nq])
(;W[er]CR[er]))))
(;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[sa]CR[sa]
;W[dn]CR[dn])
(;W[jq]CR[jq]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: other variation
])
(;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[en]CR[en]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[gm]CR[gm]
;B[gn]CR[gn]
;W[em]CR[em]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
(;W[cq]CR[cq])
(;W[dm]CR[dm]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[mq]CR[mq]C[TheEnsign [5k?\]: Remember, it's not like the song.....  "take the money and run".... no.... run, then take the money hehe
]))))
(;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
(;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[jq]CR[jq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: now B is a target, D6 is attacking move
]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[jr]CR[jr]
;W[kr]CR[kr]
;B[jo]CR[jo]C[NannyOgg [-\]: W can't hane
NannyOgg [-\]: too many forcing moves
]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[ir]CR[ir]
;B[hr]CR[hr]
;W[js]CR[js])
(;W[jq]CR[jq]
;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[kq]CR[kq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: make it four in a row
]
;B[gq]CR[gq]
;W[nq]CR[nq])))))
(;B[qk]CR[qk]C[MysticoN [10k\]: cant w R11  too ?
whendrik [16k\]: What is wrong with play in the open areas on the side?
]
(;W[qn]CR[qn]C[ph [12k\]: Can you later have a lesson about how to defend? P11 kosumi was interesting, for example.
])
(;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[qi]CR[qi]C[NannyOgg [-\]: yeah, better, at least you are getting a base
]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[pi]CR[pi]))
(;B[cn]CR[cn])
(;B[ql]CR[ql]C[NannyOgg [-\]: classic kyu move
NannyOgg [-\]: inbetween move
NannyOgg [-\]: bad relationship with corner
]))
(;W[qn]CR[qn])
(;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[fb]CR[fb])))))
(;W[fd]CR[fd]C[ph [12k\]: Does W have to capture F17 now?
NannyOgg [-\]: this is too slow 
O123456789: f16?
Shikasta [17k\]: w pinches always at j16?
NannyOgg [-\]: B got 10 points and W got maybe 10 points and W has an extra move
NannyOgg [-\]: so W loses a stone
]))
(;W[ce]CR[ce]C[NannyOgg [-\]: we go with the regular B
NannyOgg [-\]: how to punish the hane
MysticoN [10k\]: I know :D
]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[db]CR[db]
;B[de]CR[de]C[NannyOgg [-\]: most basic way to punish
]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[df]CR[df]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[cf]CR[cf]))))
(;B[dd]CR[dd]C[sprang [24k\]: all good stuff, thanks!
]
;W[pp]CR[pp]C[TheEnsign [5k?\]: Kiseido Go Schizophrenia
]))
(;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dq]CR[dq]C[ph [12k\]: sduff: doesn't matter with torrents,  and low resolution
]
(;B[pp]CR[pp]
;W[dd]CR[dd]
;B[do]CR[do])
(;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[do]CR[do]))
(;AB[pi][pj][pk]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[qj]CR[qj]C[NannyOgg [-\]: now three in a row is not enough
]
;B[ca]CR[ca]
(;W[qi]CR[qi]C[NannyOgg [-\]: rule applies when liberties are used up
])
(;W[qh]CR[qh]C[NannyOgg [-\]: if W jumps, liberty is missing
]))
(;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[fq]CR[fq]
;B[hq]CR[hq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: now three in a row is enough
]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[dn]CR[dn]
;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[iq]CR[iq]C[ph [12k\]: nice principle to know
]
;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[hp]CR[hp]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
(;B[kq]CR[kq]
;W[lp]CR[lp])
(;B[lq]CR[lq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: if B plays L3, W needs to play
]))
(;AB[pm][pn][po][pp][pq]C[rmgd [15k\]: show the unsafe pincer :)
]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[fq]CR[fq]C[TheEnsign [5k?\]: J4?
NannyOgg [-\]: extend or pinch for W?
]
(;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[ip]CR[ip]C[NannyOgg [-\]: safe pinch
NannyOgg [-\]: now W is dead
NannyOgg [-\]: so wasn't safe
])
(;W[jp]CR[jp]C[NannyOgg [-\]: even if alive
]
;B[fo]CR[fo]C[NannyOgg [-\]: try this one
]
;W[dn]CR[dn]
;B[jn]CR[jn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: loosest possible pinch
NannyOgg [-\]: still uncomfortable
])
(;W[dn]CR[dn]C[NannyOgg [-\]: so there is not safe pinch here
]
(;B[jp]CR[jp]
;W[hq]CR[hq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: have to find some other way
])
(;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[ko]CR[ko]
;B[kq]CR[kq]C[NannyOgg [-\]: now we can force B low
]))))
