(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Japanese]SZ[19]KM[6.50]
PW[shygost]PB[shygost]DT[2006-02-11]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Webmaster [25k\]: Thanks to your lectures my rank went from 26k to 25k. ^_^
rayen [10k\]: I hear you
gryn [14k?\]: Two
MishMash [15k\]: I hear
MishMash [15k\]: I think
gryn [14k?\]: 7:30 am
MishMash [15k\]: which is pst
RetroGen [25k\]: Hi all
Uberdude [13k\]: This is 3am GMT, maybe you could put that on the info?
NannyOgg [-\]: it's right ^^
jhouse [11k\]: it's the official reference time for around the world
highhand [12k\]: 1 pm Australia east coast
mrspooky: 3am in the uk here
MishMash [15k\]: GMT is greenwhich time
jhouse [11k\]: I know I'm -5 hours GMT
Webmaster [25k\]: GMT doesn't exist anymore, it's called UTC now. >_>;
Uberdude [13k\]: so that people can work out for their timezone
gryn [14k?\]: It's 11am in china right now.
kantai [?\]: its 10 pm EST
MishMash [15k\]: no one knows that web lol
Hu [12k\]: Yes, UTC is the modern reference.
Xenyon [30k?\]: i do
ScatCat [12k\]: meh. I'll stickwith PST :)
mallow [17k?\]: well, gmt is somewhat of a global standard time, so...
MishMash [15k\]: it's several different times in china right now
gryn [14k?\]: It's like BC versus BCE
MishMash [15k\]: china's a big place
Hu [12k\]: As Webmaster said.
dolphyfan [22k\]: universal time, shy
highhand [12k\]: teaching just started, do not see anything here
RetroGen [25k\]: How many timezones russia have? :D
Xenyon [30k?\]: Centre?
mallow [17k?\]: convention, I think
oden [16k?\]: coordinated
Launchpad [-\]: complicated
cynewulf [11k?\]: coordinated
Webmaster [25k\]: Universal Time, Coordinated.
Hu [12k\]: C = Coordinated
kantai [?\]: Univer Time Code?
dolphyfan [22k\]: control?
Faraday [10k?\]: what's wrong with shyghost
mrspooky: complication
gryn [14k?\]: chocolate.
oden [16k?\]: universal coordinated time in french
olczyk [15k\]: .coordinates
dolphyfan [22k\]: coordinated is right
mallow [17k?\]: I'll look it up, a sec
Batavia [11k\]: constant
RetroGen [25k\]: Meh I'm happy that I know I live at gmt+2 zone :D
Uberdude [13k\]: what if doesn't play L3?
istro [13k\]: when is next class with the new schedule?
]
(;B[qd]CR[qd]C[Webmaster [25k\]: San-ren-sei >_>;
]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[dp]CR[dp]
;W[pp]CR[pp]LB[oc:A][ce:B]C[highhand [12k\]: ordinary kgs members can ask questions using voice?
Xenyon [30k?\]: B!
Launchpad [-\]: B
cynewulf [11k?\]: D15
kantai [?\]: A?
gryn [14k?\]: A
Batavia [11k\]: A
highhand [12k\]: A
Webmaster [25k\]: A
mrspooky: A
xela [7k?\]: B
rayen [10k\]: A
gryn [14k?\]: (trick question, both)
jhouse [11k\]: B
NannyOgg [-\]: B
Launchpad [-\]: B is bigger side
highhand [12k\]: or C :)
ChiyoDad [19k\]: I like taking the fight to black. A.
Xenyon [30k?\]: B gets the side
rayen [10k\]: oh it was b turn :D
rayen [10k\]: B
NannyOgg [-\]: B
Launchpad [-\]: nuh uh
Hu [12k\]: B
MishMash [15k\]: shy gets to choose
]
(;B[ce]CR[ce]C[BuckCentre [19k?\]: Heh, thank you Hu. :)
xela [7k?\]: that come up at other times too
Uberdude [13k\]: ok
nkinnear [23k\]: damn, these hours go way too fast )
daveh [22k?\]: tell me about it
]
(;W[oc]CR[oc]C[Hu [12k\]: You can hold the shift key down in the Edit tool mode to get White stones.
])
(;W[od]CR[od]C[Uberdude [13k\]: or caps lock
Launchpad [-\]: or you can hold shift, and hit caps lock for all white stones
Uberdude [13k\]: to stop pinky ache
Brewhaha [18k\]: what rule?
xela [7k?\]: 4th move rule?
Brewhaha [18k\]: k
olczyk [15k\]: I thought it was the second move.
olczyk [15k\]: Does the 3 rule change as the game goes on?
dolphyfan [22k\]: safe is not necessarily best, tho ?
Radarius [?\]:              
highhand [12k\]: as low k, I often play handicap games, so 3-4 point is not as useful to learn?
highhand [12k\]: coampared to star pooint
xela [7k?\]: You learn useful shapes
]
(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[qc]CR[qc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[lc]CR[lc])
(;B[as]CR[as]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[ed]CR[ed])
(;B[ed]CR[ed]
;W[ec]CR[ec]
;B[fd]CR[fd]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[olczyk [15k\]: according to Kajiwara.
]))
(;W[dh]CR[dh]LB[oc:B][ee:A]C[Radarius: Ah sounds from tale pc and pic at laptop :D
jhouse [11k\]: I started to read the book "direction of play" and I think that favored option B.  I don't understand it though :-P
gryn [14k?\]: A
Webmaster [25k\]: A
Xenyon [30k?\]: B!
ScatCat [12k\]: i like local
dolphyfan [22k\]: A
xela [7k?\]: Kajiwara says "move 2 lost the game", but I think it's meant to be a joke.
Sub0 [15k\]: A
mrspooky: B
nkinnear [23k\]: A
BuckCentre [19k?\]: A
Ixo [19k?\]: A
backpacker [9k\]: a
Uberdude [13k\]: a
Launchpad [-\]: A, basic concept, separate
jhouse [11k\]: A
Deebster [16k?\]: a
Hu [12k\]: A  follow the plan, don't switch.
NannyOgg [-\]: A
Brewhaha [18k\]: A
MishMash [15k\]: let's make things interesting! B
rayen [10k\]: B
jhouse [11k\]: what's a very specific thing?
Radarius: Tenuki! :D
Webmaster [25k\]: That black stone is all alone among two white stones
Webmaster [25k\]: I'd go with A
highhand [12k\]: A+1 at f15 no good?
rayen [10k\]: :)
olczyk [15k\]: If the lectures were two hours then two hours would seem to go fast.
]
(;B[oc]CR[oc]C[Hu [12k\]: Fast development, not fast thinking.
olczyk [15k\]: By fast you mean on the board not in time you use?
Webmaster [25k\]: Why not play 3-3 to get the corner to start off with?
olczyk [15k\]: If Black can play on left and get sente...
highhand [12k\]: c15 can be used as aji stone later, so b is better from that point
jhouse [11k\]: that almost seems to imply to ingore most early pincers...
highhand [12k\]: fast meaning fast development?
jhouse [11k\]: P17 = sente?
]
(;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[qn]CR[qn]C[Uberdude [13k\]: i've seen dan game like this, and then c15 comes to life later
]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[pj]CR[pj]
;W[de]CR[de]
;B[jd]CR[jd])
(;W[qh]CR[qh]C[Sub0 [15k\]: i'd R10 
mrspooky: too close?
ecthelion [5k\]: bad
backpacker [9k\]: bad
gryn [14k?\]: good?
ScatCat [12k\]: i'd say bad
cynewulf [11k?\]: pincer it
BuckCentre [19k?\]: I think I've read that Cho Hoon Hyun has a very keen sense of fast development in fuseki.
Webmaster [25k\]: bad
Xenyon [30k?\]: good
highhand [12k\]: bad
Brewhaha [18k\]: too close?
olczyk [15k\]: bad
backpacker [9k\]: one space too close
istro [13k\]: it's near thickness, no?
xela [7k?\]: bad
jhouse [11k\]: I wouldn't play it
xela [7k?\]: easy for blak to play R6
Hu [12k\]: Seems too close.
highhand [12k\]: b respond with r10
DavidB [12k\]: BAD
olczyk [15k\]: why not just pass?
]
;B[qj]CR[qj])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[qh]CR[qh])
(;W[qi]CR[qi]LB[ee:B][fe:C][df:A]C[gryn [14k?\]: olz, i want to play you next.
highhand [12k\]: k16 no good as next move?
xela [7k?\]: Not A
Kamilek [23k\]: B
Webmaster [25k\]: C
wetnose [15k\]: C
gryn [14k?\]: A seems fine.
ecthelion [5k\]: c seems best to me
mrspooky: D13 a bad move
DavidB [12k\]: A
Webmaster [25k\]: I like C.
gryn [14k?\]: A
oden [16k?\]: b
dolphyfan [22k\]: settled is different thsan life
MishMash [15k\]: yessir
wetnose [15k\]: yeah
wetnose [15k\]: :(
]
(;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[jhouse [11k\]: what's that about 3 comfortable directions?
])
(;B[jd]CR[jd]C[cynewulf [11k?\]: C and then counterpincer
rayen [10k\]: I like B
])
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Kamilek [23k\]: i would choose b
])
(;B[dg]CR[dg]C[Osiris [10k?\]: c
])
(;B[df]CR[df]C[swilks [7k\]: i like c.  it is most aggressive and black upper right and bottom left support it
jhouse [11k\]: Hard to choose without knowing joseki.  I'd favor b
xela [7k?\]: Want to settle the black stone, then attack D12
]
(;AE[oc][dp]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[rayen [10k\]: yes
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[jc]CR[jc]C[rayen [10k\]: gives b more air ?
])
(;W[fd]CR[fd]C[ecthelion [5k\]: get 10 stones stronger and you still wont know
]
(;B[ss]CR[ss]C[xela [7k?\]: Only 2 directions?
rayen [10k\]: no I dont think so
]
;W[cd]CR[cd])
(;B[bc]CR[bc])))
(;B[ee]CR[ee]C[Brewhaha [18k\]: does he need b13 to completely settle in the previous shape?
ecthelion [5k\]: i see
gryn [14k?\]: thank you :)
olczyk [15k\]: How can you tell when you have settled just right, too little, and too much ( wasting moves)?
]
;W[gc]CR[gc]LB[cj:A][dj:B][dk:C]C[jhouse [11k\]: lol
jhouse [11k\]: I can't tell
xela [7k?\]: C
gryn [14k?\]: B
Kamilek [23k\]: B
Webmaster [25k\]: B
xela [7k?\]: makes it hardest for black to settle
highhand [12k\]: if b has settling shape, does that mean immediate w attack is bad for w?
MishMash [15k\]: yes
dolphyfan [22k\]: yes
rayen [10k\]: yes
Sub0 [15k\]: yes
wetnose [15k\]: yes
xela [7k?\]: so if black G15, what is the right response for W
Xenyon [30k?\]: yep
xela [7k?\]: ?
Webmaster [25k\]: Hai~, sensei.
]
(;B[dj]CR[dj]C[MishMash [15k\]: no he doesn't
xela [7k?\]: 3 directions!
dogenzenji [22k?\]: b
BuckCentre [19k?\]: 1 or 2 accurate reading is better than 5 or 10 inaccurate or unnecessary ones.
])
(;B[cj]CR[cj]C[Xenyon [30k?\]: C
]
;W[dj]CR[dj])
(;B[dk]CR[dk]C[xela [7k?\]: B can turn out to be weak later?
]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
;B[ge]CR[ge]LB[gc:A][fh:B]C[xela [7k?\]: F9?
]
(;W[fk]CR[fk]C[xela [7k?\]: Buck--that's why computers can't beat dans at go
]
(;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[hh]CR[hh]C[BuckCentre [19k?\]: Compouters could be programmed to read more necessary moves.
MishMash [15k\]: no they can't buck
ecthelion [5k\]: they haven't been yet ;)
]
(;B[ie]CR[ie]LB[jp:A]C[MishMash [15k\]: so now b o3 I suppose?
MishMash [15k\]: oh nm
ecthelion [5k\]: k4 only move
jhouse [11k\]: this probably goes to the tough to answer, but why so passive of a response to F9?
BuckCentre [19k?\]: Is 1 accurate reading better than 1000 unnecessary ones?
gryn [14k?\]: bottom for white please.
BuckCentre [19k?\]: How about 10000?
Hu [12k\]: W K4 to make a mo=yo
mrspooky: J3 
highhand [12k\]: j15 omitted, and play o3 real bad?
BruceLeroy [8k\]: when do you know what you're doing?
highhand [12k\]: how many points would be give up for sente, in beginning?
jhouse [11k\]: lol
ecthelion [5k\]: i see
ecthelion [5k\]: i still don't
MishMash [15k\]: when you've passed the pro test
Radarius [?\]: intuition :D
Radarius [?\]: he isn't pro :)
highhand [12k\]: now w k16 good?
]
(;W[as]CR[as]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[BuckCentre [19k?\]: sorry
Radarius [?\]: go is everything :)
])
(;W[bc]CR[bc]
;B[ic]CR[ic]C[wetnose [15k\]: geometry....more efficient
xela [7k?\]: Other way round is "tray" shape--flat
Uberdude [13k\]: boxes are good
xela [7k?\]: e.g, R16-P17-J17 here
BuckCentre [19k?\]: Hello wetnose!
wetnose [15k\]: hey there
BuckCentre [19k?\]: :)
]
(;AE[qd]AB[pe])
(;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[md]CR[md]C[dolphyfan [22k\]: box shape?
])
(;AE[oc][qi]AB[od][oj][qj]))
(;W[hd]CR[hd]C[xela [7k?\]: K16 looks too thin
]
;B[he]CR[he]C[olczyk [15k\]: Helps balck
]
;W[jc]CR[jc]LB[ie:A]C[Hu [12k\]: Loses sente?
highhand [12k\]: can b counter peek
highhand [12k\]: at G13
Hu [12k\]: Is B safe here?
xela [7k?\]: Yes, but not good--lose the option of G11 later
BruceLeroy [8k\]: not healthy
wetnose [15k\]: not really
rayen [10k\]: not
nkinnear [23k\]: not healthy
xela [7k?\]: Not healthy
Xenyon [30k?\]: no
olczyk [15k\]: Thick with no eyes.
Uberdude [13k\]: not
Radarius [?\]: It is :S
jhouse [11k\]: when is running ok?
Rambam [13k\]: isn't black unhappy spending so many moves running while white gets points on the upper side?
ecthelion [5k\]: remember, black gets points lower left too
ecthelion [5k\]: w's center is not so big
]
(;AE[hd][he]
;B[hc]CR[hc])
(;AE[qi]AB[pj]C[xela [7k?\]: B17 is key point?
])
(;AB[ke]C[jhouse [11k\]: Isn't running the easiest way to give opponent points in sente?
xela [7k?\]: Running also builds strength.
gryn [14k?\]: shy, black's A group is this long snake, because we shimari'd at P17,  were the points gained worth this group being like this? so flat?
xela [7k?\]: The more black runs, the weaker H12 looks.
mallow [17k?\]: run to friendly forces?
highhand [12k\]: instead of h15 join, g13 counter peek is bad for b?
xela [7k?\]: A group=L15
]
(;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[cb]CR[cb])
(;B[sa]CR[sa]))
(;B[ke]CR[ke]LB[qf:A][ql:B]C[Xenyon [30k?\]: go a move back
Xenyon [30k?\]: or hit pass
Ithmatic [17k\]: if you go to the end
Kamilek [23k\]: A
ecthelion [5k\]: a seems most positive
gryn [14k?\]: A
oden [16k?\]: b
]
(;W[as]CR[as]C[Ithmatic [17k\]: why not pincer that black stone then run
]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[qf]CR[qf]C[xela [7k?\]: Ah, now L15 means white has lost a direction!
wetnose [15k\]: intense
Ithmatic [17k\]: oh ok..sorry
]
;AE[ke]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[ke]CR[ke]C[Ithmatic [17k\]: back two
])
(;W[qf]CR[qf]C[dolphyfan [22k\]: B
]
(;B[qk]CR[qk])
(;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[nq]CR[nq]
;B[qk]CR[qk]))
(;W[ql]CR[ql]LB[jp:B][nq:A]C[BruceLeroy [8k\]: B\\
ecthelion [5k\]: ok
xela [7k?\]: K3 is big
Brewhaha [18k\]: k4 area big
Webmaster [25k\]: 3
Kamilek [23k\]: 3
Xenyon [30k?\]: wrong tool
highhand [12k\]: can b not f17, g18, then j17 to kill w k17
Brewhaha [18k\]: show A
Sub0 [15k\]: A
Webmaster [25k\]: go for A, then B
wetnose [15k\]: B
oden [16k?\]: b
mallow [17k?\]: B
Valkiry [?\]: B
GottaGo [16k\]: If you play one and white pinches would you go into th corner?
gryn [14k?\]: let's all have icecream.
rayen [10k\]: A
BruceLeroy [8k\]: when you say "they'll read it out" how far do you mean they read exactly?
Webmaster [25k\]: ahh, I see.
mallow [17k?\]: 1 looks impractical
]
(;B[fq]CR[fq])
(;B[jp]CR[jp]LB[cq:1][gq:2]C[Webmaster [25k\]: go for 1
Webmaster [25k\]: you can't get both?
MishMash [15k\]: unlikely
dolphyfan [22k\]: interesting as compared with dull?
Brewhaha [18k\]: In the opening is there really a "right" move?
GottaGo [16k\]: Can white split of K4 with a move like g4 using the backup from above?
MishMash [15k\]: yes brew
GottaGo [16k\]: *off
MishMash [15k\]: the opening effects the whole game
xela [7k?\]: There's an interview with Lee Changho
wetnose [15k\]: i heard 150!
rayen [10k\]: many pro that can read 100
xela [7k?\]: He says he sometimes reads more than 100 moves ahead.
Brewhaha [18k\]: even 50 seems impossible
Brewhaha [18k\]: maybe even 20
rayen [10k\]: hahaha
BruceLeroy [8k\]: hahahhah
MishMash [15k\]: lol
Webmaster [25k\]: Is reading important at kyu-level?
ecthelion [5k\]: yes
MishMash [15k\]: reading is always important
xela [7k?\]: Yes
gryn [14k?\]: web yes!
Sco [22k\]: best description ever.
gryn [14k?\]: i nearly spit out my tong yuan.
Brewhaha [18k\]: it should be easier to read in chess and the gms don't read more than 20-ish
Valkiry [?\]: they read in a different way though, their reading contains ALL pieces and moves on the whole board.
rayen [10k\]: isnt 3 bad ?
Ithmatic [17k\]: omg dont discuss random things let him talk about go
wetnose [15k\]: 1...not so good?
GottaGo [16k\]: yes
Uberdude [13k\]: middle is nice for both, so particularly good
daveh [22k?\]: i dont know how i would succeed with 1
hlamonde [21k?\]: 2
xela [7k?\]: 1 looks good--D7 is in the wrong place
rayen [10k\]: I like 2
wetnose [15k\]: 2
Webmaster [25k\]: 2.
Xenyon [30k?\]: 2
Kamilek [23k\]: 2
ecthelion [5k\]: 1 and then reduce
DavidB [12k\]: 1
gryn [14k?\]: 1
mrspooky: 1
BruceLeroy [8k\]: 1
Xenyon [30k?\]: both?
GottaGo [16k\]: 1
olczyk [15k\]: 2
gryn [14k?\]: er 2 then 1
]
(;W[ss]CR[ss]C[GottaGo [16k\]: There is a saying in chess: "Long variation, wrong variation"
Pilsun [19k\]: nice analogy
gryn [14k?\]: omg
]
;B[jh]CR[jh]C[MishMash [15k\]: unless you're shy and too lazy =)
Kamilek [23k\]: xD
xela [7k?\]: lol
]
;W[ik]CR[ik]C[rayen [10k\]: reading is a tool just like much other things in go
BruceLeroy [8k\]: hahhaha
Uberdude [13k\]: lol
])
(;W[gp]CR[gp]
;B[nq]CR[nq])
(;W[mq]CR[mq]C[rayen [10k\]: becuase of the R3 
backpacker [9k\]: Your reading story was Kitani Minoru
]
;B[qq]CR[qq]C[rayen [10k\]: probably seeing the wing instead ^^
]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[rq]CR[rq]
;B[rr]CR[rr]
;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[oq]CR[oq]
;W[no]CR[no])
(;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[bo]CR[bo]
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[dr]CR[dr]
;B[er]CR[er]
;W[cr]CR[cr]
;B[fq]CR[fq]C[snakeeater [4k\]: F9 is now weak for w...
xela [7k?\]: W has sente
olczyk [15k\]: Is the double hane dangerous here?
])
(;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[bm]CR[bm]
(;B[dn]CR[dn]C[Ithmatic [17k\]: ooh
]
;W[an]CR[an]
;B[nq]CR[nq])
(;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[an]CR[an]
;B[bq]CR[bq]
;W[dn]CR[dn])))
(;W[fq]CR[fq]C[GottaGo [16k\]: Oh, back to the future then.
Uberdude [13k\]: h3 here?
Coyotebd [17k?\]: not a good room for OT chat.
BruceLeroy [8k\]: how long have you been teaching?
]
(;B[dq]CR[dq]C[Ithmatic [17k\]: :|
]
(;W[hp]CR[hp]C[olczyk [15k\]: "miss the future" story of my life!
MishMash [15k\]: thank you shy
GottaGo [16k\]: Thanks Shy!
wetnose [15k\]: thanks!
DavidB [12k\]: thanks
Brewhaha [18k\]: thank you
BruceLeroy [8k\]: who's winning in this game?
mallow [17k?\]: thanks a lot
Pilsun [19k\]: Thanks.
Kamilek [23k\]: learned alot
ecthelion [5k\]: when is the next lecture?
oden [16k?\]: thanks shy
dolphyfan [22k\]: thank you , shygost
tetris [10k?\]: thank you shy!
backpacker [9k\]: thx
Kamilek [23k\]: thank you
Xenyon [30k?\]: Thank you shygost
Ixo [19k?\]: Thanks
gryn [14k?\]: thank you very much shygost.
olczyk [15k\]: Thanks
rayen [10k\]: thanks shy
nkinnear [23k\]: many thanks!
Coyotebd [17k?\]: thanks shy
Webmaster [25k\]: Thanks, I'm sure I'll hit 24k now. ^_^
NannyOgg [-\]: Thank you, shy
jhouse [11k\]: thanks
Hu [12k\]: Good lecture.,  Thanks!
Uberdude [13k\]: cheers
dogenzenji [22k?\]: Thanks!
Rambam [13k\]: thanks a lot :D
daveh [22k?\]: I did, thanks.
dmnk [7k?\]: thank you
istro [13k\]: tx
MishMash [15k\]: got any other stories to tell us since the lesson's done?
Benjimin [7k\]: thankyou
xela [7k?\]: so--12 hours from now?
Deebster [16k?\]: as always, a few things that I think will really help, cheers
ecthelion [5k\]: thanks
BruceLeroy [8k\]: thanks shy
backpacker [9k\]: Your story was Kitani Minoru
xela [7k?\]: Thanks for the lesson
kalim [11k\]: thank you shy!
tt [1k\]: thx
daveh [22k?\]: i like last week
highhand [12k\]: thx
daveh [22k?\]: story
hlamonde [21k?\]: thank you
wetnose [15k\]: stories~~
rayen [10k\]: bedtime story
GottaGo [16k\]: Shy's prose on Pros.  New book.
olczyk [15k\]: MAgic of GO
hlamonde [21k?\]: the magic of go
wetnose [15k\]: eheheh
xela [7k?\]: www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/columns/0001/
xela [7k?\]: articles by Rob van Zeist
Spartan101 [8k\]: hahahahaha
sduff [17k?\]: too mean!!!
wetnose [15k\]: beginner's luck? doesn't happen in go really...
Spartan101 [8k\]: hi u all
BruceLeroy [8k\]: hahahah
daveh [22k?\]: :))
daveh [22k?\]: haha, u tried it
hlamonde [21k?\]: honte....
BruceLeroy [8k\]: hahaha
Sub0 [15k\]: :D
hlamonde [21k?\]: thats good
rayen [10k\]: ^^
GottaGo [16k\]: Like a famous tennis pro you used to play lefthanded against suckers and then change hand when there was money on the game.
MishMash [15k\]: haha
daveh [22k?\]: thanks
MishMash [15k\]: thanks shy
MishMash [15k\]: see ya
Sub0 [15k\]: great story 
Sub0 [15k\]: tnx
Rambam [13k\]: thx
xela [7k?\]: Thanks
wetnose [15k\]: bye
Pilsun [19k\]: thanks
]
;B[nq]CR[nq]C[Hu [12k\]: Those who die in Go, get reborn in the next game.
ecthelion [5k\]: and now w has no prospects in the center
dolphyfan [22k\]: hopefully we learn
GottaGo [16k\]: Should white take those points?
]
(;W[lq]CR[lq]C[BruceLeroy [8k\]: light play
GottaGo [16k\]: can connect
rayen [10k\]: O5 
kalim [11k\]: corner?
gryn [14k?\]: because he is brave
xela [7k?\]: black has R3
tetris [10k?\]: b has r3?
MishMash [15k\]: gryn made you grin
]
(;B[qq]CR[qq])
(;B[lp]CR[lp]
;W[kq]CR[kq]
;B[kp]CR[kp]
;W[jq]CR[jq]C[xela [7k?\]: Right
]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[ip]CR[ip]
;B[mo]CR[mo]C[wetnose [15k\]: just die, learn, and try again..?
Uberdude [13k\]: white
]))
(;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[sa]CR[sa]
(;W[lq]CR[lq])
(;AE[nq]AB[mq])))
(;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[eo]CR[eo]
;W[fn]CR[fn]
;B[nq]CR[nq]))
(;B[hq]CR[hq]C[backpacker [9k\]: e3
GottaGo [16k\]: Welcom to my corner.
gryn [14k?\]: xela you experiment ;)
daveh [22k?\]: :)
Xenyon [30k?\]: You can also CTRL + click on a space to get its coordinate
xela [7k?\]: Sorry, I was talking to Hu--about how to use KGS
]
(;AE[jp]AB[fp]C[Ithmatic [17k\]: temari
olczyk [15k\]: tewari
ecthelion [5k\]: tewari
MishMash [15k\]: exchange
sigh [1d\]: tewari
xela [7k?\]: tewari
Uberdude [13k\]: transpose?
GottaGo [16k\]: transpose
backpacker [9k\]: transpose
gryn [14k?\]: tewari
Hu [12k\]: CTRL SHIFT click
Hu [12k\]: In the Edit Tool, when you are "changing a stone", you can click on it to make it go away, and then you can shift click to place a White stone there or anywhere.
])
(;AE[jp]AB[nq])
(;C[xela [7k?\]: Hu, how do you find out all this? It's not in the help files!
xela [7k?\]: Can you write a new user manual for us?
]))
(;B[eq]CR[eq]
;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[nq]CR[nq]
(;W[do]CR[do]
;B[co]CR[co]
;W[cn]CR[cn])
(;W[cq]CR[cq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[er]CR[er]))))
(;B[jq]CR[jq]
;W[jo]CR[jo]C[xela [7k?\]: highland--that's complicated, but I don't think white would play g18
])
(;B[nq]CR[nq]C[MishMash [15k\]: I heard they read like 80 moves, that might be a myth
]
;W[kp]CR[kp])))))
(;B[nq]CR[nq]
;W[ie]CR[ie]C[Xenyon [30k?\]: perhaps add all the joseki to a program ^_^
BuckCentre [19k?\]: Yes they could, but I understand they haven't yet.
MishMash [15k\]: no they can't buck, go is too complicated for that
xela [7k?\]: Sorry, I didn't mean to start a big argument.
Xenyon [30k?\]: it can use math
BuckCentre [19k?\]: MishMash, computer is too complicated for you.
Webmaster [25k\]: Less talk, focus more on the lecture.
]))
(;B[ei]CR[ei]
;W[eh]CR[eh]))
(;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[fk]CR[fk]))
(;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[dj]CR[dj]C[Kamilek [23k\]: what would u prefer?
])
(;AE[dp]
;B[sa]CR[sa]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[cj]CR[cj]
;W[ei]CR[ei]
;B[cm]CR[cm]))
(;B[fe]CR[fe]C[backpacker [9k\]: but A splits too?
gryn [14k?\]: so, what situation should you play C?
highhand [12k\]: fast devel vs settling, is it a matter of style?
ecthelion [5k\]: ok
]
(;W[gc]CR[gc]
(;B[dj]CR[dj]
;W[df]CR[df])
(;B[ed]CR[ed]C[ecthelion [5k\]: yes
]))
(;AE[dp]C[Uberdude [13k\]: for 9ds to look cool
xela [7k?\]: Yes, there are lots of confusing joseki here!
]
;W[dp]CR[dp]C[Coyotebd [17k?\]: maybe if black had more stones up top?
gryn [14k?\]: uber :P
ecthelion [5k\]: can't b reinforce his stones before attacking? d16, for instance?
ecthelion [5k\]: in the previous example
]
;B[ss]CR[ss]
;W[gc]CR[gc]
;B[nq]CR[nq])))
(;W[jp]CR[jp]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
(;W[qi]CR[qi])
(;W[pj]CR[pj])))
(;B[df]CR[df]
;W[fd]CR[fd]C[Uberdude [13k\]: often too slow development webmaster
]
;B[bc]CR[bc])
(;B[cc]CR[cc]C[Webmaster [25k\]: yeah, move 1
gryn [14k?\]: he means instead of 3-4 opening. or 4-4
])
(;B[ee]CR[ee]
;W[fd]CR[fd])))
(;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ce]CR[ce]C[Xenyon [30k?\]: yeah
Xenyon [30k?\]: i forgot that too
])
(;AE[dp]AB[pp]
;B[aa]CR[aa]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[oc]CR[oc]
;W[ce]CR[ce]))
(;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[pp]CR[pp]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[nc]CR[nc]LB[pb:A][lc:B][ne:C]
;AB[lf][mf][nf][of][pf]))
